By the end of 1984, after re-forming there came another change in personnel with Paul Phillips of the Diawled (Devils) replacing Robert on drums. They gigged quite a bit in 1985, but they concentrated on recording local bands in the Fflach Studio, and their first national release was Y Tymhorau (The Seasons) by Ffenestri (Windows). Wyn travelled to Abbey Road to master and both Richard and Wyn saw the studio where the Beatles had recorded. **Ail Symudiad have a link to the Beatles (which was mentioned on the cover of a Fflach CD in 2008 recorded by Tudur Morgan - Lle'r Pwll - on the links between Liverpool and North Wales) because Alun Owen who was an evacuee with Richard and Wyn's family during the war went on to become a playwright, and he wrote the script for A Hard Day's Night. Ail Symudiad met Alun a couple of times and heard stories of Liverpool, the sixties and the Beatles.

In 1986 Ail Symudiad released an EP, their first recording at their own studio with Croeso i Gymru (Welcome to Wales) and Dyddiau Newydd (New Days) on one side and Meic Stevens on the other side with Bwgan ar y Bryn and Gaucho. Members of Hergest, who were a popular folk/pop band in the 70s, namely Derec Brown, Geraint Davies and Delwyn Siôn came down to Cardigan to sing backing vocals on the record. Ail Symudiad also played at Clwb Ifor Bach, Cardiff in 1986 with the Cyrff, who were later to become members of Catatonia. Yet another change on drums this year with Dafydd Owen, formerly of Rocyn joining A.S. for a while with Paul playing keyboards and Richard and Wyn on guitar and bass. They played in Narberth, Crymych and a couple of gigs in North Wales at this time, and they also changed the name to Y Symudiad (The Movement) - mistake! This did not last long and when releasing their first cassette in 1987 they went back to Ail Symudiad, and among the songs were Sbri ym Mynachlogddu (Fun in Mynachlogddu) and Gwena dy Wên (Smile your Smile), the cassette was called Dawnsio Hyd yr Oriau Mân (Dancing Till the Early Hours). An interesting addition to the session musicians playing on the cassette was Nik Turner formerly of Hawkwind, who was (and still is) living in the Preseli, North Pembrokeshire area. Another new drummer joined and played on the cassette - Owen Thomas, who was later to play for popular Cardigan band Jess and also Dafydd Jones of Carmarthen who played occasionally for A.S. at this time along with Carwyn Griffiths of Blaenffos – A.S. have certainly had their fair share of drummers!!. In 1988, and with Owen very busy with Jess, another drummer came on the scene. Wyn and Richard had heard on the grapevine of a talented young drummer from Haverfordwest called Paul Pridmore and with new songs being written he was invited to Fflach to hear the songs, this was at the end of 1988 and at the start of 1989 the group recorded an album/cassette called Rhy Fyr i Fod yn Joci (Too Short to be a Jockey). Chris Lewis from Jess was one of the guest musicians on the recording along with Peredur ap Gwynedd (guitar) and Rheinallt ap Gwynedd (BV's) who by now have played with amongst others the Natalie Imbruglia band.

Ail Symudiad made several TV appearances in this period and Paul played drums on many Fflach releases.


O Bell ac Agos

Croeso I Gymru

Dawnsio hyd yr Oriau Man

Rhy fyr i fod yn Joci

Paul, Richard, Wyn

Wyn in the new Fflach studio 1987

Wyn at the door of Abbey Road, after mastering in 1986

Wyn mastering with Nick Webb, again at Abbey Road, both Richard and Wyn saw where the Beatles recorded on this day

Back to 1984! Robert, Richard and Wyn in the first Fflach 8 track studio